edited 8y. The .223 does have advantages, though. Yeah. The 6mm AR holds 36 grains of water (needs the rim turned down...). This is only a slight victory, however. Given equal bullet weights, the 6.8 will likely shoot slighly faster or very close to the 6mm dti. Would anyone like to go in on a bag of 6MM Hagar brass, it is only sold in 500 case increments @ $325.00 . Set Descending Direction. The AR-15 platform features a higher magazine capacity. 16 Likes. My old 18” 6.5 barrel would only do 2580 with 107 TMKs and 2460 with 123s. Colt’s 1911 will always be associated with the .45 ACP. The 6.5 Grendel has a broader range of bullet weights, ranging from 90 grains to 130 grains. Slim, long bullets with high ballistic coefficient are ideal for energy retention at long ranges. Range Report - 6mm ARC vs 6 PPC vs 6 Grendel | Sniper's Hide Forum. You can form the 6mmAR from 220 Russian, 7.62×39, or 6mm PPC brass. But for now I shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor in the McMillan Tubb 2000 bolt rifle. The 6.5 Grendel has a broader range of bullet weights, ranging from 90 grains to 130 grains. 1100m: This is more academic than real, but they claim 6mm ARC performs at this range (compared to the .223 and 308). Right out of the muzzle, the 6mm ARC is traveling at 2,750 ft/s, or 170 ft/s faster than the 6.5 Grendel. The 6mm ARC clearly has improved ballistic performance over .223/5.56. Guns In The News / March 1, 2021 / 666. 6mm Hagar. Add to Wish List Add to Compare. Throughout history, several firearms have become inexorably linked to a single cartridge. But the Lapua 6.5 Grendel brass is so good it’s crazy not to use it. The 6mm HAGAR uses a 6.8 SPC AR-15 bolt and 6.8 SPC magazines and a conventional upper receiver, barrel extension, and bolt carrier assembly. One very important aspect of both its parent cartridge and the 6mm ARC is they were both specifically designed to function in an AR-15. This means their diameter and overall length are dictated by the confines of the dimensions of a STANAG magazine. Forming brass from 6.5 Grendel is no different than just resizing fired brass for this one, it's just a straight neck-down with no shoulder or body changes. Even adding 50ish FPS for the 2” longer barrel, the 6mm has about 200+ more FPS than the 6.5 with similar BC bullets. The 6mm does 2700 with 105s with AR Comp on a 20” barrel. Quick view Compare Choose Options. #3 01-08-2021, 01:48 PM Ganderson. Clear. 1100m: This is more academic than real, but they claim 6mm ARC performs at this range (compared to the .223 and 308). While it did well the clear winner was the 6CM, high BC and extra velocity are hard to overcome at this range. It still turns the steel and is very consistent holding 9 mils at the top. Did the 6 ARC outperform the .223? All barrels will be rifled with a 1-7.5” twist. We think the 6mm HAGAR should be a kick-ass cartridge for varminters shooting ARs with shorter varmint bullets. The recoil impulse of the 6.5mm Grendel is also significantly heavier than 5.56x45mm. Case capacity is 36.0 grains of water, filled to over-flowing. But the 6mm ARC drops 22.2 inches. The 6mm Hagar won the nationals this year, Hornady has made it a factory load, and standardized it. Benefits for the 6mm AR = Velocity, case capacity, freebore Benefits for the 6ppc = longer neck, a wealth of published load data, possible slightly longer barrel life, factory ammo. With this option steel BB’s (ball bearings) are added to the cartridges. Add to Cart. If I were building a match rifle (space gun) it would be chambered in 6mm Hagar. Typically this cartridge has been used for varminting, hunting, and High Power competition. The 6x47 (6mm on the .222 Rem Mag case) holds 33 grains of water. The overall length of the rounds is the same at 2.26 inches. It would allow me to evaluate my posts and see if I think i should improve anything. As far as I know I the 6 CM has much more case capacity and higher operating pressures so I'd expect more velocity especially with longer barrels. Commercial 6mm ARC loads feature bullets selected to deliver ideal performance for hunting, match shooting, and personal protection applications. The 6mm ARC offers a 30 to 35% lighter-weight package (gun and ammo). The dti is really good if you want to shoot the light 6mm bullets faster than the 6x45 will allow. Savage already offers a few more inexpensive options in 6mm ARC though defiantly not a mini action. As a consequence, I switched over to shooting AR-10s, mostly in 6mm/22-250 and 243 Win. I love shooting the AR-10s, particularly at the 300 and 600 yard lines, but AR-10s are big, heavy and expensive. #7. 1.32K Views. Make ’em rattle! Velocities were recorded 10 feet from the muzzle of an AR-X Enterprises AR upper with a Pac Nor 24-inch barrel with a one-in-12-inch twist attached to a Bushmaster XM15-E2S lower. Data courtesy of Hornady 6mm HAGAR The 6mm HAGAR was derived from the 30 Remington and it has the same case head diameter as the 6.8 SPC, also a 30 Remington derivative. Those who are going to like or prefer the 6mm ARC will likely appreciate the 6mm ARC for its utility in either the AR 15 platform & or the mini action bolt action rifles. Best load was 130 Bergers at 2390. ELD (l.) makes for an excellent long-range target … Coming out of the muzzle, it maintains speeds around 2,750 to 2,800 fps. Sectional densities are similar, and both should be good penetrators. The 6mm AR is a centerfire wildcat cartridge initially designed by Robert Whitley for long-range performance in an AR-15 rifle . The cartridge uses a 6.5 Grendel case that has been necked-down to accept a 6.2 mm (.243 in) bullet. The 6mm AR takes advantage of the wide variety of 6.2 mm (.243 in) caliber bullets. In this regard, the 6mm ARC neatly fits into a weapon platform that is dramatically smaller and lighter than a traditional AR-10 platform required by the .308 Winchester. So, the weapon system is smaller and lighter, more maneuverable and less fatiguing to carry. My best guess I'd say a 6mm CM out of a 18" barrel would push a 108 ELDM around 2850 fps. Quick … When you think of lever-actions, you think of the .30-30 Win. The 6.5mm Grendel was made by stretching the shoulder of the 6mm PPC longer by 0.0757" to increase case capacity and necking it up to 6.5mm. 224 … Velocity. 223/5.56. In my opinion, I would start with the minimum amount of energy it takes to topple the ram with a proper hit, allowing for a little room to waffle. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! It is a little hotter than the 6woa and will have the same barrel twists available. Specialty Parts. In addition to making the cartridge useable with long, heavy-for-caliber bullets, Hornady also set maximum chamber pressure low at 52,000 pounds per square inch. The one I'm leaning toward is a 20" .243 LBC from Black Hole Weaponry (non-proprietary barrel). The 6mm will simply have a higher BC. It delivers less drop, less wind deflection and the ability to shoot accurate groups at much greater distance (1000+ yds). The 6mm AR takes advantage of the wide variety of 6.2 mm (.243 in) caliber bullets. We think the 6mm HAGAR should be a kick-ass cartridge for varminters shooting ARs with shorter varmint bullets. The 6mm DTI is advertised as being built for the 85 gr class of bullets while the .243 LBC/6mmAR will handle the larger pills and down to 75 gr according to Whitley at his 6mmAR site. Agreed, that was my main reason for going with the 243 LBC instead (BHW's version of the 6mm AR). Choose an option Empty Primer Pockets Holes Drilled in Cases Rubber Inserts Spent Primers Remain. Lapua … (6mm PPC holds about 32.5 grains). The 6mm ARC case is slightly shorter at 1.49 inches compared to the 1.52 inches of the 6.5 Grendel case. P2A "Patriot" 16 inch AR-15 6mm ARC M-LOK Complete Rifle . The 6mm ARC is a 6mm PPC with the shoulder stretched by .0457", exactly 0.030" less than a Grendel case. The 6mm HAGAR uses a 6.8 SPC AR-15 bolt and 6.8 SPC magazines and a conventional upper receiver, barrel extension, and bolt carrier assembly. The cartridge uses a 6.5 Grendel case that has been necked-down to accept a 6.2 mm (.243 in) bullet. 528. Hornady’s new 6mm ARC was designed for a specific military requirement; the 108-gr. Ballistic coefficients are about equal, with a slight edge going to the 6mm 108 ELD Match. Yes we know the Hornady data is slow, but I'm doing 2990 fps with 70 gr NBTVs and 25.2 grains of Benchmark out of my 24" 6x45; Hodgdon gives 2960 for 27.0 grains. The 6mm ARC achieves substantially better ballistics than the 223/5.56. Warning! September 1, 2019. Options. The overall length of the rounds is the same at 2.26 inches. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Don't know if there are Cons VS all the other 6.8 based rounds. 6.5 Grendel vs. 6mm ARC Ballistics As you can see, velocities differ by 170 – 220 fps, with the lighter 6mm ARC moving faster from the compact case. By Johnny's Reloading Bench. It still turns the steel and is very consistent holding 9 mils at the top. *Photos may include features and/or upgrades not included in the base model and price. For me, in a bolt gun the 6ARC has no value but I wouldn't mind having a complete upper in 6ARC for one of my AR15's. I fall into the latter category. Warning! The 6mm ARC uses commonly available 6.5 Grendel magazines/bolts. A quality shooter can certainly compensate for 3 inches of difference, so while it’s a victory for the ARC, it’s a narrow win. In addition, the barrels of rifles chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor tend to have a life of approximately 3,000 rounds while those chambered in 6mm ARC have a life expectancy of 5,000 rounds. View as Grid List. Hornady 6mm ARC Losing Ground Hornady is claiming its 6mm ARC will yield 2,750 fps with a 108-grain ELD-M bullet from a 24-inch barrel. Dec 8, 2021. In a 10-mph crosswind the 6mm ARC 108-grain bullet drifts 10.9 inches at 400 yards. 6 Items . Finally, other possibilities, like 6.8 SPC, do not have the longer-range performance capabilities of the 6mm ARC. The 6mm Grendel is basically that cartridge necked back down to 6mm. The 6mm x 22 Nosler holds about 34 grains of water. Yeah, that's exactly why I'm looking into it. Notes: All loads were assembled with Hornady brass and Winchester Small Rifle primers. It's not even worth a discussion, even in a 16in barrel the 6CM is hundreds of fps faster than the 6ARC. The 6mm ARC uses commonly available 6.5 Grendel magazines/bolts. Strange, the Hodgdon load data for the 107 sierra HPBT has the twist rate at 1-14 but Sierra says you need a 1-7 to 1-8. $ 15.99 – $ 17.99. AR-15 5 Rd 6mm Arc Stainless Steel Magazine. This is exactly what we would expect. It is also much harder to control on full-automatic. It even beats the 6.5 Grendel at extended yardages. ASC. It blows the doors off the 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington, providing reduced wind drift and higher retained velocity/energy at any range. Sort By. The 6mm ARC’s exterior ballistics are good, enough thanks to its use of high BC projectiles, to allow it to run with the .308 Winchester when shooting long. Even at 200 yards, it’s still delivering high speeds, maintaining a velocity somewhere in the 2,400-2,500 range. Guns In The News 2021-03-01. The .223 75-grain bullet, by contrast, drifts more than 15 inches at that range, and the ARC’s advantage becomes more pronounced at longer ranges. 6mm HAGAR Handloads. 4,142. Real Performance Results, From-Scratch Experimental Load Development. At short to medium distances, the 6mm ARC and the 6.5 Grendel are fairly evenly matched, with a slight advantage going to the 6mm ARC. From a financial standpoint, it makes sense. Right and I’m probably mainly trying to stay in an m4/ar15 platform but was wondering if it would be a complete waste to go 6mm arc or go straight to an ar10 platform. All barrels will be rifled with a 1-7.5” twist. This decision won't be easy! Following a spate of 6mm wildcats, Hornady’s new 6mm ARC (Advanced Rifle Cartridge) features one of the shortest cases developed for AR-15 s. But with a .536 b.c., 108-grain .243 ELD Match bullets exiting at 2,750 fps still clock 1,971 fps at 500 yards! If you already or plan to get really serious about shooting anything at extreme distance, the 6 mm ARC is clearly the better option, and, you probably will handload. 100%. The Hornady 6mm ARC takes the 24-caliber into record territory — the slowest muzzle velocity of any commercial cartridge propelling .243” bullets. #3. This slows extraction and makes it much less violent, prolonging the bolt’s life. Did the 6 ARC outperform the .223? Now if one pushed the 6mm ARC to say 58k psi then who knows. I was up around 3200 at 27.0 and after much mental anguish, decided that was too good to be safe. Apples to oranges man, you're asking about very different calibers. 25 Rd 6mm Arc SS Magazines (5 Pack) $84.99. It seemed like there should have been a decent 6mm cartridge for the AR-15, but there never seemed to be one that was easy to do and worked well. The 6mm ARC case is slightly shorter at 1.49 inches compared to the 1.52 inches of the 6.5 Grendel case. The 6.5 Grendel products deliver about 25.3 inches of drop at 400 yards when the rifle is zeroed to 200 yards. The 6mm ARC achieves substantially better ballistics than the 223/5.56. And, the AR-15 is forever tethered to the .223 Rem./5.56 NATO. NW. Dec 8, 2021. Notes: All loads were assembled with Hornady brass and Winchester Small Rifle primers. Dies are not that bad, $71-$90, about $50 or so less than the 6dti/6woa/Redding S, 6.8 dies Large rifle primer 6.8 brass is $50 p 100 6mm ARC is so new that as of the writing of this article, published load data did not exist! Im curious as to what I may have said that earned a +1. It delivers less drop, less wind deflection and the ability to shoot accurate groups at much greater distance (1000+ yds). It is a relatively fast and heavier bullet with a modern high ballistic coefficient bullet. Velocities were recorded 10 feet from the muzzle of an AR-X Enterprises AR upper with a Pac Nor 24-inch barrel with a one-in-12-inch twist attached to a Bushmaster XM15-E2S lower. It would be nice to be able to see the posts that got rated. *Photos may include features and/or upgrades not included in the base model and price. 6mm ARC. Location. It’s case length is close to 6mm ARC; The biggest differences between the 6mm PPC and the 6mm ARC are the shoulder angle (30° for 6mm PPC, and 40° for 6mm ARC), and the base-to-datum spec for the shoulder (6mm ARC is pushed back further). In contrast, the 6mm ARC is offered in 103gr to 108gr. Those are two totally different builds. $16.99. I don't need 500 pieces , doing a wildcat and would split about any way you need. Wildly different in every possible way. More. Thanks ... Is it the same as 6mm AR and 6Grendel? Set of five 6mm Hagar dummy rounds. Whilst some with custom setups argue, it is well known that there are some feed issues with the shorter 6mm BR variant cartridges like the 6mm BR, 6 BRX, 6 BRA and the 6mm Dasher, the longer case of the 6mm GT means it feeds as reliably from a magazone as a 6mm Creedmoor, and offers slightly higher powder capacity and in turn velocities than the 6mm BR … The 6mm ARC uses commonly available 6.5 Grendel magazines/bolts. Remember, manufacturers were trying to keep up production of more popular and long established ammo at the time. 6mm HAGAR Handloads. 2 Comments. We support some of the world's best competition cartridges and work to provide you with the info you need to use them in your next competition. Add to Wish List Add to Compare. Wilson Combat will offer WC-15 6mm ARC rifles with our match-grade, 18” fluted/threaded Tactical Hunter barrel. The main reason the HAGAR didn't really take off was a combination of timing and lack of factory ammo or brass when it was introduced. This translates into ballistic performance out of an AR_15 platform that drops less due to gravity, drifts less for wind, and hits harder on the target. Typically this cartridge has been used for varminting, hunting, and High Power competition. The 6mm ARC also performs better in wind. The 6mm ARC. For long-range applications it certainly seems to have the advantage. 6mm ARC. The statistics shown above demonstrate the advanced speed capabilities of the 6mm ARC. The 6mm ARC offers a 30 to 35% lighter-weight package (gun and ammo). The 6 mm ARC’s lineage goes back to 1944 and the 7.62x39 mm, which was popularized by Mikhail Kalashnikov and the AK-47. Dies & Reloading Tools. 6ARC case holds 34 grains of water; .223 holds 28.8gr. Quick view Compare Out of stock. 223/5.56. Special Price $859.99. In very simple terms, the 6mm ARC’s exterior ballistics exceed anything currently possible with any other AR-15 cartridge, especially at long ranges. Barrel Blanks. But I wanted to get some real-world results with my new CMMG Endeavor 300 6mm ARC AR-15 published as soon as I could, and therefore embarked on an exciting journey. Wilson Combat will offer WC-15 6mm ARC rifles with our match-grade, 18” fluted/threaded Tactical Hunter barrel. AR-15 - 6mm AR - 6 AR Turbo 40˚ Improved - 6mm HAGAR - 22 Beast - 224 AR - 20 Practical - 20 Tactical - 30 ARX. The old 243 Winchester can beat that by about 300 fps. A look at the 6mm WOA cartridge from White Oak Armament. ASC. Sort By: Quick view Compare Out of stock. In contrast, the 6mm ARC is offered in 103gr to 108gr. The cartridge was developed by John Harrison, a prominent match rifle shooter and Sid Goodling, a well-respected bench-rest gunsmith for the 6mm Harrison and Goodling Automatic Rifle (HAGAR) in 2003. The 6mm ARC was designed around optimal use with a 108-grain bullet. So here's the rub - the 6mm ARC is essentially very close to a 6mmAR, but the 6mm ARC gives up 2 gr of water capacity to the 6mmAR (6mm ARC has a 34 gr water capacity vs 6mmAR that is 36 gr of water capacity) and this occurs because the body of the 6mm ARC case is about .027" shorter than the 6mmAR, and the overall case length is .030" shorter. 146 Videos. While it did well the clear winner was the 6CM, high BC and extra velocity are hard to overcome at this range. Whitley's 6mmAR and the 6mm HAGAR were both introduced in the same issue of Precision Shooting.
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